Democrats who hoped that former Senators John Morse and Angela Giron would go gently into the good night are probably shaking their head in frustration right about now. Last night, appearing on MSNBC‘s “All In With Chris Hayes”, the former Senators continued their excuse tour and offered some factually incorrect assertions on the Navy Yard shooting.
Giron in particular embarrassed herself with two completely false claims that must have made even her liberal supporters wince in reaction.
The first mind-boggling incorrect fact spouted by Giron was that the Navy Yard shooter would have failed a background check:
Giron: Well, in fact, we know in this particular case that this man, who went and gunned down people would probably not have passed a background check had he went to purchase some firearms.
Politifact ruling: Pants on Fire. As The Washington Times reported:
Aaron Alexis easily passed Federal Bureau Investigation and Virginia state background checks to purchase a shotgun from Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Va., over the weekend, The Washington Times has learned.
The retail store put the former Navy reservist’s name through both systems checks before selling him a shotgun and shotgun shells, a source familiar with the transaction said.
Then later in interview Giron makes up another whopper:
Giron: In this case in particular we can look at it was a Naval yard. You couldn’t have anymore armed people than in that case right there.
Again, not true. As Slate’s Dave Weigel noted this morning:
Democrats can’t credibly threaten to pass a (gun control) bill. They can’t even sound credible when they talk about the need for one. On MSNBC last night, recalled Colorado Sen. Angela Giron argued that “you couldn’t have any more armed people than were there” at Navy Yard. That wasn’t true. The newest political martyr of the gun safety cause had accidentally made the argument for letting people carry guns into more workplaces.
It’s worth watching the whole segment as the host asks a great question that Morse rejects out of hand, but it’s a good one nonetheless:
Hayes: Senator Morse, do you think you were defeated by the gun lobby or by gun owners? Which is to say sometimes I think we who favor more gun safety legislation can create the NRA into being this monstrous entity, that in some ways serves their purposes. Was this a product of the gun lobby or were your constituents really angry at you for the vote you took?
Morse incorrectly claims it was the NRA that “bought” the signatures for his recall. In fact, it was local gun owners who raised money in small increments in addition to the contribution from local conservative women’s group I Am Created Equal.
Unfortunately, it appears Morse still hasn’t learned the lesson that MSNBC’s Hayes has, which is that the recalls were a product of local anger, not a national gun lobby. But, of course, denial is the easier course of action.
Check out the full interview below.
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Karen , you need to take a break and look at the smoke and mirrors for awhile
Good Lord these people are so full of crap. The murderer in DC passed a NICS check and used a shotgun with a 5 round capacity. Shut up, pack your desk and drop an application off at Wal-Mart ya' on your way home, douchbags.
Yeah, I too, had to cut it off! Libs….what're ya gonna do with 'em???? Can't kill 'em! (Dark humor intended here! Don't come after me, "0"!)
More idiots elected them!
Seriously, is she drunk?
You tell them sister dear!
of course she didn't know, that would require reading!
they are being promoted by LIBERAL media… they lose really badly….
this recall was a tremendous encouragement for all Constitution loving Americans across the nation — way to go Colorado!
whine and lie, whine and lie, whine and lie….. giron, it gets really old!!
They "framed" this to seem like defeating the NRA would stop violent crimes. The jerk on the left says" I think we can be responsible gun owners…"
Well we are, look at how many gun owners didn't get on psychotropic prescription meds, undergo psychiatric care with the military, and go shooting up a Navy yard.
All of the recent mass shootings have those in common, Zoloft or another anti-depressant/psychotropic and what now seems to be suspicious psychiatric care via the Pentagon.
Obama's a fag
Please don't judge the people of Colorado by these MORONS! We actually got them out of office! They need to stop whining and lying about what happened! Grow the HELL up!
Please make and IDIOT Background check….so Angela Giron can pass!
GUN OWNERS CHOSE TO TAKE YOU OUT!!! WE WERE PISSED WHEN YOU BLATANTLY IGNORED YOUR CONSTITUENTS…. You two are morons… leave Colorado.
You'll notice that both Giron and Morse fail to reveal any of their major, out-of-state political contributors. Ads supporting them and against the grassroots recall began a full six weeks before the election. Bloomy and his buds in the DNC vastly outspent the recall supporters.
The lack of intelligence in these politicians is astounding. How did they get elected in the first place?
I like you, Connie Sue! Nice!
Nobody watches the Soldier loathing Chris Hayes anyway.
Did I hear Grion say the shooting happened in a Naval yard and there couldn't be a place with more guns? does she know that Clinton made all military bases gun free zones and if there had been guns on the Navy base less people would have died.
I can't watch the rest of this video
What FOOLS they are!! The Navy yard shooter DID pass a background check!!!
So, it's a good thing that these two idiots continue to show the real reason they were recalled.. Just like the dudes in New York getting the boot with their primary.. They are all idiots, and mentally handicapped. Their logic is the logic of a drug addled idiot..
Why in the hell was the asshole targeting old people. All but one was over 50 and the youngster was in his latter forties. He did have an extremely high kill/wound ratio. Good thing Dawg wasn't there, he would have been a primo target for this numb nuts.
Its great. They are hurting the cause more than helping.
I was wondering the same thing. They have been promoted to citizens.
"Giron: Well, in fact, we know in this particular case that this man, who went and gunned down people would probably not have passed a background check had he went to purchase some firearms." The grammar queen Giron forgets to mention he got on base with a shotgun – a supposedly secure site.
Hey folks……..what Big Pharma drugs was the 'navy yard' shooter on????????????? Duty to prevent? You dude are an idiot! Go get a job at McDonald's!
You make me proud!
Get over yourselves Giron & Morse! "WE THE PEOPLE" took you out NOT the NRA. You both need to sit back, shut up, and get a reality check! Your opinions don't matter & your "gun control" laws are going to be repealed just as both of you lying, unethical, uneducated morons were recalled.
Why are they still in the news? And why are they being refered to as Senator? We took that title from them in a legitimate recall.
Ken Bowen Getting better every day, little by little.
How is it living in "Little CA"?
Grion and Morse have both proven time and time again that they are fundamentally and irrefutably pathological liars. You can tell when they're lips are moving….